the problem is, will obama defend the plan? he seems to have disappeared all of a sudden. >> well, that for the website is for. go to the website and you can get a better deal. >> it to healthcare. it's not a rollout of something else. >> keep in mind, we have medicare, which rules the same way. with any degree of intelligence, one would have used that as the initial entry model. you would be using a program that already gives you the cover. my guess is that at some point you are going to get this dramatic speech from president obama and he's going to say exactly that. >> which is what? >> that we should've used the medicare model. it works. it is proven to be effective, and people believe in it, including republicans. >> final question. mid term elections. it looks like how is this going to affect them? did you honestly think the democrats are defending this program, or are they going to cut and run? >> i think any democrat who sees this program as a liability has already run it. >> it really is quite a mess. >> like i said, i